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June CFAS Connects Session - Shared screen with speaker view
AAMC: Eric Weissman
23:30
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AAMC: Eric Weissman
35:06
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AAMC: Eric Weissman
35:13
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Adi Haramati
35:49
The intent of today presentation is to give all of you a sense of the scope of the work these subcommittees are undertaking in an effort to bring these issues to the attention of the AAMC leadership AND the other councils (COD, COTH)
Anne Mosenthal
35:53
anne Mosenthal - would like to discuss redefining faculty value and criteria for promotion
Adi Haramati
36:57
If you wish to make a comment, state that in the chat: right now we have Anne Mosenthal and Janine Shapiro in the queue
Neil Osheroff
38:56
I think that is will be very important for the sub-committees to focus on all three groups of faculty (clinical, research, and educational).
Jeffrey.Laitman@mssm.edu
39:27
I agree with Lee. Very important to include all.
Tracey Weiler
40:35
At FIU - we have a number of basic science educator faculty who are the primary teaching faculty for 1st year courses, and then we have clinical educators taking on more of the teaching load for the 2nd year courses.
Neil Osheroff
42:30
I agree with Anne. Each faculty track has to have its own criteria for promotion.
Nick Delamere
42:30
I agree wit Lee's point. Basic sci chairs … and indeed all basic sci faculty, will be an important part of the dialog ... particularly early career individuals
AAMC: Eric Weissman
43:23
Actually just noted that Jeffrey Laitman is in the chairs subcommittee - he will bring a science / research voice to that group.
Adi Haramati
44:47
As you comment, we want to hear your views on the issues presented, as specifically are any not necessary and are key ones missing.
Fayez Safadi
45:37
I agree, it would also be interesting to include junior faculty with either research and teaching or teaching only job description.
Anne Mosenthal
46:06
sorry I have to go to another meeting, really great initiative and look forward to working on these issues
Jeffrey.Laitman@mssm.edu
46:14
May I make a comment?
Rebecca S. Lufler
46:51
This paper that reviews promotion criteria at medical schools may be of interest: https://doi.org/10.1080/10401334.2019.1686983
Amalia Landa Galindez
48:13
Another challenge is faculty with diverse roles that include teaching/research/ clinical care who are often overwhelmed with diverse responsibilities and no single alignment.
Marieke Kruidering (she/her)
48:47
encouraging chairs to reward mentoring will also be valuable for junior faculty as mentees - just a comment I don’t need to expand verbally
Adi Haramati
48:51
Thanks for sharing the reference Rebecca. Important one for Dina’s subcommittee
Tracey Weiler
49:00
There are some people who are researchers 1st and then do teaching. Similarly, some who are clinicians 1st and then do teaching. In contrast, there are other faculty who primarily educators who do educational research as a integral part of their teaching.
Eileen Cowan
49:38
I’ve just been direct chatting with Dina… I agree with all of this and am so excited. I think we could have a real impact publishing our recommendations for what it means to be promoted for each track…. education is so different than research, etc.
Adi Haramati
50:57
Thank you Jeff. Great points and validation for this work
Susan Chubinskaya
51:35
I will be happy to share our holistic approach to faculty promotions. We presented it few years ago at the GFA meeting.
Sid
52:16
Every Institution is quite different. It is essential whether a chair, faculty member or dean to know the unique economic structure of their institution. Economics and vaues mustg be understood by all membes of n Isitution including traditions for govenance,
Janine Shapiro
52:26
I like the term that Dina used “Clinician experience”. Great to think of “Faculty experience” for all as we approach this work
Steve Feldon
52:59
for clinician educators and clinician scholars, RVU based salaries are a disaster, yet it is never mentioned as a potential root cause of erosion of the mission in academic medicine.
Tracey Weiler
53:01
@Marieke - agree! faculty mentoring is critically important and is not recognized for the time it takes.
Lee Eisner
53:56
Ref: Chairs Committee: It should not just include chairs but should also include senior and junior faculty.
Susan Chubinskaya
54:00
Totally agree with RVU being a root cause
Adi Haramati
54:04
@Steve Feldon, RVUs shifts the risk from the institution to the faculty member.
Fayez Safadi
54:32
@Tracey-agree. We use the LSS methodology for faculty mnetroing!!
Susan Chubinskaya
55:29
At Rush, mentoring is part of teaching excellence needed for promotion
Amalia Landa Galindez
55:55
Agree- Rewarding mentoring and education should be a priority which is often overlooked
Steven Angus
56:04
mentoring is a pathway to promotion at my institution
Arthur Derse
57:11
More on teaching academies https://www.academiescollaborative.com/
Bertha Escobar-Poni
58:47
https://www.aamc.org/what-we-do/mission-areas/medical-education
Kim Templeton
59:49
is there going to be some discussion within these groups about the additional impacts on promotion due to the pandemic, especially for women faculty?
Lily Belfi
01:00:16
I would like to make a comment if there is time.
Marieke Kruidering (she/her)
01:00:39
i see 3 hands raised as well
Lee Eisner
01:02:51
Susan, can you please share which institution you are with?
Susan Chubinskaya
01:03:12
yes, sorry. Rush Medical College
Lee Eisner
01:03:34
Sorry, I see your earlier comment, Rush.
AAMC: Eric Weissman
01:07:52
We will be saving and circulating the comments in chat.
Janine Shapiro
01:08:10
As ‘mission alignment’ is a key goal for this group, we would need to be thoughtful on how often the three subgroups interact and whether there should have cross-representation of all stakeholders in all subgroups so that all perspectives are heard from all
Kim Templeton
01:11:04
thank you!
Susan Chubinskaya
01:12:32
we include all services including community as part of our service excellence. media, on-line resources are part of our scholarly work included
Mark Danielsen
01:13:19
For physicians at Georgetown promotion is only important for self estime, there is no change in salary for pay
Susan Chubinskaya
01:13:54
our compensation office created a stipend for each level of promotion
Neil Osheroff
01:13:59
@Mark, I think that this is true at many medical schools..
Eileen Cowan
01:14:02
At UW we have to get promoted to associate professor from assistant professor (no exceptions), but we don’t have to then go on to become full professors. There is definitely a salary increase
Amalia Landa Galindez
01:15:59
So interesting to see that at some schools promotion is not associated with a salary increase, so it is really for those who are self motivated in their respective area
AAMC: Eric Weissman
01:16:34
Email me at eweissman@aamc.org
AAMC: Eric Weissman
01:16:46
We'd love to have a few more for the Governance Subcommittee.
AAMC: Eric Weissman
01:17:01
Next CFAS Connects in September.
Dina Calamur
01:17:20
As I said at our last meeting... I am a lot of fun to work with!
Adi Haramati
01:17:57
Remember. Take time off… for you and for your families, patients, and peers